Enough with trying to debunk 911 - which is now a conspiracy. Conspiracies are events that have such diluted, contorted, conflicting facts that no agreeable judgment or ratification can be concluded because our system of proof relies on factual basis. Everyone is searching and comparing facts, running in circles of he said she said. Facts can’t successfully prove truth, truth is actually felt. Can we prove Jesus or other religious icons are real? Can we prove there are souls or spirits? Can we actually prove gravity (we really can’t, even though you think we can)? (For religious people, this might go against your beliefs and inner agreement system… but that’s ok, theres a time…) - So with all of that said, the only point I will draw is if there is one item that is not correct in the whole 911 situation, then the entire event is extremely questionable. A building that never suffered an impact or severe structural impact nicely (and almost planned) compacts to the ground… how does that happen? Theres your one thread of disbelief… the rest is history.

As for proving religious topics… Have you met jesus? Have you talked to horus. Forget about religion. For those of us that can think outside the box, religion is already debunked and has been for a long time. Sorry fellow religious people, please do not take this as any sort of personal attack. Don’t try to contest my opinion, as it is only a misuse of your energy and won’t have the effect you desire. :-/

Zeitgeist’s point was to show the profit driven world we live in. We are acting on a “separated” mentality and not acting as a species. We are a part of nature. We are an organism (not going into depth). We need to act as one and for the benefit of one. Yes, these philosophies are Utopian, and to those who haven’t been “awakened” believe this concept is very unattainable. However, all I can say is it’s a matter of time. Go on with your beliefs and inner agreement systems, but life will unfold, things will happen, events will occur, and life will as nature does, change.

I write this only with the intent that maybe one person questions them self. I hope to reach one person. As long as I’ve done that, this was complete success of my time.

For the record, I live in a mountain and donate my time and energy towards helping humanity in this pivotal time we are entering. Learn to survive, get back to the basics… One day you might need it. My love goes out to everyone. If you let any of my message effect you negatively, my love and sorrow reaches out to you.

Peace.

the ideas that jacque fresco put forth are so radical that we can’t comprehend this vision of no religion and no politics and no menial labor and no competition and no money.
and it’s too bad for us that we can’t.
but maybe in the future, we’ll learn.

The movie, regardless of what tricks, conditioning techniques and shortcomings (how cheesy was that ending!), is working. It has created its intended purpose. I love it. Dialogue, thats all it is, just seeking truth, irrefutable and proven truth, through scientific method. Come one scientists, we know all methods, including the language they are written in, need to be as black and white or amibiguous as possible, look at what the results of that thinking has given us and our society over 500 years, although far from perfect, or even spohisticated. If things are emergent, who’s to say that new methods, unthought of now, could find new ways of determining the truth regarding matters incredibly deep and complex. You only have to look at the last few decades for tech advances.

My mind still boggles. And I dont fear being stuck in some star trek type venus project thing where captain Fresco holds all the answers and we lose all our sense of identity. The notion of that is ridiculous. I find a lot of my humour in cynicism, and in this new way of thinking, cynicism wont be seen as a social pariah, it will be something celebrated. Think about it, try to imagine a world where being wrong is something sought after, because people know so much it means a further opportuntity for learning. Debates I have with colleagues are already humourous for me. Its healthy to have a difference of opinion, as long as you can agree to work together to really find a solution through experimentation. Anything is possible, even the social method.

In fact, that is what being a human is about, well being any living species is about actually, learning how to alter our behaviour through knowing things for a given (like the world is round, and symbiotic, in its complete form) to provide for our most secure existence. Why else would we live in societies, we would live solitary lives like other animals if we could provide all for ourselves.

So very simple!

Keep talkinga and keep educating yourselves people, we are a wondrous species when we get organised.

I would recommend that everyone also watch Ring of Power. So much more in-depth, and spills the beans on many areas unrealized in the Zeitgeist film. All you have to do is google it.

With regards to the addendum, I was pretty much disappointed. Sorry to be a stick in the mud. But the film kept fading to black before speakers finished, speakers would speak in 10 to 15 second blocks (reminded me of TV news), too much emphasis on filming razzle dazzle. I can’t even get my Dad to watch it because of the weird beginning. I guess it;s good for those tooting a reefer, but doesn’t have the appeal for all age groups.

They obviously did not put a lot of effort into this one. very few facts presented clearly, and I thought it jumped around too much.

Its too bad they didn’t focus on content in the addendum.

You want a zinger of a story with a lot of facts, just google Ring of Power (Parts I and II). The best I have ever seen, and should be required reading for all citizens…before voting!!

I think one could tell many things showed in the Zeitgeist
movies even by just paying attention on the world we live
in. If not the complete processes described there, at least
some of them…

Im a last-year biology student, whatched both movies, and, first I`d like to respond to Fraudulent, in my point of view… as our society grows, since mithologycal times, these `evolutionary` steps you talk about have always been, yes, in our society, but have you notice that the subject by witch we are fighting for to be the best at, to be the one with more power and stuff, are constantilly changing? power translates different on different societies over the time, and in this `new age` proposed by the zeitgeist movie, it would just change focus. `Power`, in that kind of society, would be information and intelligence, how about THAT kind of stuff being developed on us though time and evolution? Scarcity of resources, slavery, or the like are not necessary to make competition… Think about it… and research :b

Im also an addicted reader of Scientific American and various scientific publications over the net on the concern of newly created or on development tecnologies, and I dont think at all the Venus Project is that far away (have you seen the Venus Project website?). Of course, those pretty designs and cartoons are too beauty :b, but a sociaty with houses that can be self-sustained in enegy, self-building (I understand a few about civil contruction, since Ive been working on the area though 10 years…:b) and tall buildings with the same caracteristics and other of those technologies are really possible -yes, for everyone,- in our `generation time` if the reserching is not diminished by the lack of money, in this resource-based system. Of couse, science have arbitrary good and bad times, but if, in a resource-based economy all people on earth can study and think, and research is incentivated as a universal way of politics and cultural matters…? Start researching tecnology articles, you interested guys…

People think the way they think becouse they were told to, right? They were lied, to? What if teachers (Hell, Im studing to be a teacher…:D) told this kind of true (yes, for crying out loud, it is the truth) in school, universities, and the like? Just like the monetary system credition, another credition CAN be created throught the same way. One that better describes our society in a good sense like this one can definately have credit among the young. I tottaly agree with OoBeR on this matter. We gotta give credit to people and ourselves. The much more informed people get this kind of stuff, like teachers, they do what they do to inform others. It has worked before. And now we got the net, babe.

They tried to stole our confidence by seeding fear. Lets prove we cant be broken that easy; regardless of whats happening, if you agree with at least part of these ideas, do your part and spread the good word

But I think any open minded person (and i mean… Open Minded) will see past that to the explanation. It is by far the most logical explanation for the world’s state. Weather corporations actively figure out how to control the world or it is simply a reaction to them doing w.e it takes to make profits, they do control the World.

Profit IS more important then lives, humanity, science, spirit, etc etc in our World. You don’t need an endless list of sources to see that, or to understand that.

I won’t go into the religious part, because you just get blind believers babbling YOUR WRONG like they were Jesus’ camera man?!
I agree that religious beliefs are used to control people.

However, I found the ‘bright alternative future’ Venus Project a bit unrealistic, in the near future anyway.
As someone mentioned for this to happen, it would have to happen globally, over 6 billion people. As well as that, for a society where no laws are needed, there is no greed, etc to exist, it would take generations of re-education of values before we are ready, if ever.

However I do agree that we are Not genetically greedy or violent. My girlfriend has never shouted in her life (well called to friends, but not shouted in the sense of emotion). Where as my parents shouted a lot, and as soon as an argument arises (even a friendly political debate) I raise my voice without realizing, not meant in any hostile way, it is simply programmed into me. I think our society has built in that lust for money, and success in being ‘better’ then other people. And that it doesn’t always have to be that way.

I felt the end, with the 5 points telling you how you can help, it was false hope. If the Venus Project ever happened it will not be in our generation. I feel we have little control over the world. And simply reading responses to this video on most forums is heart breaking, people dismiss it without any logical or rational reason, and call themselves politically aware and such. It really is sad how ignorant we have allowed people to become. Well… at least hope lies in the fact that it is undo-able … look at us

Sorry really badly written, I promise if anyone responds I will respond in better - Shorter form! its late >_>

Doing what is good should be what determines someone’s worth. Not what they believe in. If someone lives a good life. never hurts anyone, never steps on anyone’s toes, only does what is good and right, are they wrong because they have never read the bible and do not go to church? That would be ultimately unfair and to say otherwise is ludicrous.

I have been a a devout fundamentalist Christian for 16 years of my life until 10 years ago. I have studied and practiced many of the world religions after being a Christian. I have a general understanding of the economy. I have always searched for truth. In my opinion, Zeitgeist presents the best version of what the “truth” really is regardless of any “facts” or anything any critics or skeptics can say. It presents the most logical understanding of the world we live in today no matter how f’d up it may be. I have looked at all sides to the best of my ability and Z makes the most sense to me.

Here is my best attempt an metaphor of people who critize Zeitgeist or any logical or obvious truth:

The critics are just like a parent who knows their child abuses drugs even though he consistently denies it. Knowing the pain of dealing with the truth is much harder then denying it and not having to go through the pain of handling the issue. They then “play stupid” and turn the other way leaving the child to do more and more drugs with no recourse.

All humans seek pleasure and resist pain.

In the short term, Standing up for what is right is not pleasureable. Denying the HUGE LIES is much less painful and more pleasureable than believing the truth.

That is all.